Sturm Faust Rework

[Kagimizu]

• Sturm Faust
  Tier: 3
  Location: Waist/Back
  Handling: Handheld
  Quantity: Singular
  Weight: 2
  Durability: 100
  Weapon Type: Artillery (Bazooka)
  Damage Type: Physical
  Secondary DT: Explosive
  Damage per Hit: 900
  Bonus Damage: N/A
  Rate of Fire: 1
  Accuracy Modifiers:
  
  • Close Range: -3
  • Mid Range: -4
  • Long Range: -5
  
  Critical Chance: 20
  Total Ammo: 1
  Rounds before Reload: N/A
  Reload/Recharge Time: Cannot Reload
  Note: Accuracy penalty negated against ships
  Price: 700 credits
  

[Ransac]

Far too much damage at base and the accuracy is atrocious. Especially for a weapon with literally only one shot. Not worth it by a mile.

[Kagimizu]

Sept 12, 2019 16:50:04 GMT Ransac said:

Far too much damage at base and the accuracy is atrocious. Especially for a weapon with literally only one shot. Not worth it by a mile.

Except that's more or less the idea. The Sturm Faust is the one non-beam weapon consistently noted to be capable of taking out most mobile suits in a single shot, but at the same time it's a single-shot weapon and its simplistic design makes it inaccurate and difficult to aim. Iffy to use against mobile suits, but fantastic against ships- note that the Sturm Faust loses said accuracy penalties when used against ships.

The current one we have is an unremarkable and utterly bland bazooka weapon that, barring being used against ships- how often have we run into one of those again?- has absolutely no reason whatsoever to be used over something else. Especially tier 4/4.5 bazookas, one of which has an ammo capacity of ten and can be reloaded twice if not three times. What's more the fact that the Sturm Faust can be reloaded at all is inaccurate, as it's a single use fire-and-forget weapon in its home series.

The inaccuracy is for the simple fact that we have PvP. Currently T4.5 light mobile suits have around 900 HP- which the Sturm Faust beats on its flat damage alone, without taking into account a ranged specialist mobile suit that may have a bonus of up to 60 or even higher. Even if successfully redirected with the strongest shield currently on the forum, that's 200 damage blast through; over 20% of the suit's HP from an indirect hit. If certain people get pissed off at viable strategies like weapon sundering, imagine how it would feel being nearly (or outright) OHKO'd in an arena fight, potentially a tournament even. The harsh accuracy penalty means the Sturm Faust is a gamble even for ranged specialists, making it a choice: do you buy up the cheap and inaccurate single-use weapon that could win you the fight if it hits, or do you invest in the heavier, more expensive but more consistent bazooka alternatives?

In addition, at two weight per rocket this version of the Sturm Faust is a weapon even light mobile suits can load up with, and it can feasibly be stored in certain shields with that capability. That gives it an additional niche and encourages use of those shields, opening up more options for people to play with.

[spiceracksargent01]

Not gonna lie, the main reason I'm currently considering the Sturm Faust for Axel's selection of weaponry, even as it is, is due to its portability compared to other heavy weapons. If this change were to go through, I'd be willing to take the gamble of such a poor hit rate because that kind of firepower would be a godsend if it hits a Mobile Suit and a potent, strategic asset against a ship, especially in Axel's hands because he's my Sniper, so it's kind of his job to have high Aim. Plus, this proposed rework actually makes the Sturm Faust even more portable than it already is.  I might even consider grabbing a Leo shield for Axel's MS if it's made compatible with these lighter, stronger, disposable RPGs. Heck, iirc, a Sturm Faust is so simple it could even be fired directly from a shield that's storing it, so there's also that to consider.

[Kagimizu]

Sept 14, 2019 23:21:50 GMT spiceracksargent01 said:

Not gonna lie, the main reason I'm currently considering the Sturm Faust for Axel's selection of weaponry, even as it is, is due to its portability compared to other heavy weapons. If this change were to go through, I'd be willing to take the gamble of such a poor hit rate because that kind of firepower would be a godsend if it hits a Mobile Suit and a potent, strategic asset against a ship, especially in Axel's hands because he's my Sniper, so it's kind of his job to have high Aim. Plus, this proposed rework actually makes the Sturm Faust even more portable than it already is.  I might even consider grabbing a Leo shield for Axel's MS if it's made compatible with these lighter, stronger, disposable RPGs. Heck, iirc, a Sturm Faust is so simple it could even be fired directly from a shield that's storing it, so there's also that to consider.

Just about everything you've said here Spike is exactly why I'm proposing this change to the Sturm Faust; to make it a worthwhile strategic asset that people have to be willing to take a gamble on in return for a huge payoff on the occasions where it works out, as well as giving the Leo shield and other, similar shields a viable reason to be used. You're also accurate that these weapons can be fired directly from the shield they're stored in, or can even be fired without actually being drawn- as shown by the Kampfer- and that's something I'm willing to add on and note with the weapon.

[spiceracksargent01]

Glad to know I was on the right train of thought with the Sturm Faust, then.  Question, though.  What base accuracy profile would the reworked Sturm Faust follow when aimed at a ship?  Bazooka?  Pistol?  Grenade?  One of the other accuracy profiles?

[Kagimizu]

Sept 15, 2019 1:56:36 GMT spiceracksargent01 said:

Glad to know I was on the right train of thought with the Sturm Faust, then.  Question, though.  What base accuracy profile would the reworked Sturm Faust follow when aimed at a ship?  Bazooka?  Pistol?  Grenade?  One of the other accuracy profiles?

As noted above, it loses all accuracy penalties when used against a ship. Meaning straight zeroes across the board currently. Could see it using grenades based on the similarities, but currently all the penalties are straight-up negated. Something to probably fix, I admit.

[spiceracksargent01]

Grenade, Pistol, or Shotgun would probably be logical accuracy profiles to use with the Sturm Faust when targeting a ship given their portability and dumb-fire nature.  Grenades are +2/+1/-2 from Close to Long Range, Pistol is 0/0/-1, and Shotgun is +2/0/-2.  I'll admit that Grenade probably would make the most sense since the Sturm Faust is still an Artillery Weapon, but that's just my thoughts on the subject.

[Ransac]

Sturm Faust

[Kagimizu]

Sept 16, 2019 17:33:48 GMT Ransac said:

Sturm Faust

Confused by the link and the picture, cause reading that and seeing it in action is the whole reason I made this suggestion for the rework.